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 Sunshine56 |
I received an e-mail from Singapore Airlines :-( |
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Posts: 42310 06/30/08 11:45
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I e-mailed Singapore air because they now have the most wonderful airplanes with beds. Asked whether I could lay down the whole trip. This was
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To: MOSKEN
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: your suite/laying down the whole trip
Hello Mr. Mosken, It is true that we have beds on our flights in business and first class. But during take off and landing you have to sit straight in the seat for security reasons. Bgrds, arshi
Last Edited By: Sunshine56 07/01/08 05:16.
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ponolops |
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Posts: 1433 06/30/08 18:18 Quasimodo
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Thanks for the email Mosken. This is the second time you have been called Mr Mosken. I wonder why?
Sad and annoying but predictable really, wasn't it? My daughter has been determined to take me abroad and to that end, has written to all the major airlines, with the same reply (minus the Mr!) It seems that the law of this land, where firms can't overrule government disability acts, is broken constantly and the government ask US to fight them. Why us? If anyone else broke the law, they would be fined, castigated and told to comply. If I had the money, I would pay someone to lobby parliament to try to uphold the laws that are already in place. Maybe I'll win the lottery and then the skies the limit! Penny |
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Posts: 42310 06/30/08 19:26
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Do you think it helps to pay the politicians?? LOL Penny, you are so funny. Although the topic is a tragedy. My son pictured me in one of these suites: http://www.singaporeair.com/saa/en_UK/content/exp/new/suite/index.jsp |
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Posts: 2231 06/30/08 21:20
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Mosken, that is so disappointing. It's all Rules and Regulations these days and no common sense. I'm sure you'd be just as safe lying down with an appropriate bed belt around you as someone would be sitting up with a seat belt around them. Surely it can't be that difficult to have two metal hooks on either side of their beds, and then during take off and landing, a bed strap could be put across you.  It's so annoying isn't it?
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Posts: 5504 07/01/08 02:56 Queen of Tea
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so sorry Mosken. Keep trying someone somewhere will eventually give in. I hope anyway.
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Posts: 42310 07/01/08 05:15
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Posts: 4267 07/01/08 05:24 Mediator Babe
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Oh (Mr.) Mosken, I'm very sorry to hear this.
The thing that strikes me most strongly is something Penny said: It seems that the law of this land, where firms can't overrule government disability acts, is broken constantly and the government ask US to fight them. It seems like corporations are breaking laws all the time in the US, usually about workers' health and safety. But when it comes to actually helping somebody, improving their quality of life they can't be bothered to stretch rules or go the extra inch. 
Frankly, I've never understood this rule about everyone having to sit upright in every circumstance. It makes some sense in the event of a crash upon takeoff or landing, but even then, the extent to which it's followed seems kind of silly, and if a person is disabled, is properly strapped down so they don't endanger others by falling on them, and releases the airline from liability, I really don't understand what the problem is for them. |
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Posts: 1433 07/01/08 18:10 Quasimodo
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 Mosken!
I think I would have to sell my house and my body to afford one flight in one of those suites! 
Hell, I didn't want to go abroad anyway! Perhaps I should take up horizontal rowing! Might take a bit longer but I sure would be fit when I reached my destination! Penny |
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Posts: 248 07/03/08 19:30
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Mosken, I love your perserverance! Kerry
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Posts: 20365 07/04/08 16:58 Moderator
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I don't understand how the airlines can continue to break the law with their non-compliance. Gotta say though, you are becoming quite the champion for the
sitting disabled and their rights!
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Posts: 1674 07/06/08 03:42 Insomniac
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Just from the pictures it looks like you would take off and land in your own "suite" is that correct? Then I don't understand what difference it would make to them whether you were sitting or lying flat- there isn't anyone around anyway. Everyone else would be strapped to their "seats" so who would know what your position would be for take off and landing. It looks like you wouldn't be close to anyone anyway- so you wouldn't be a safety hazard. Or am I missing something? |
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Posts: 685 07/06/08 08:11
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Okay, here's what I just don't get: If you have some sort of gurney, cot, pallet, or whatever that can be firmly clamped to the floor of an aircraft,
and you attach a few straps or belts (say at the legs, waist, and shoulders, maybe), then how can you possibly be in
any more danger to yourself or anyone else than if you were to be belted into an upright seat? It makes no sense at all. I mean, seriously, rescue and
medical transport helicopters obviously have set-ups for people who can't sit up, so there's absolutely no reason a plane can't have the same.
Every airline should have such accommodations.
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Posts: 7308 07/08/08 21:07 Friends Host
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i have never understood why you cant lean a little..vs fully upright...mairzi is right...i dont think anyone would know. esp if you had yourself upright [for 3
mins] right when attendant came round to check..then after they leave....back to whats comfortable.
keep fighting sunnygirl! |
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Posts: 7085 07/09/08 04:36 Medical Consultant
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What a gorgeous suite, hard to imagine on an airplane. Amazing. Perhaps if you would give them a window of three minutes to agree to situp?
In any event, you are the champion. I am sorry you are temporarily frustrated. |
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sittingdisabled |
amen :) | #14 | ||
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Posts: 11 07/09/08 22:25 |
jilly, you said the same thing i did...just like they could set up something on other forms of transportation 4 ppl who need to lie down...why dont they? they
dont have to ( so frustrating) ..had to give up idea of going north on amtrak w/ sleeper car bec the sleeper cars only go south and west :/ i guess little
by little well get our needs met...every1 just has to keep working on it and band together to get things improved...thanks to mosken and all others who are
beating the drum worldwide
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sittingdisabled |
mosken, u r the major player :) | #15 | ||
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Posts: 11 07/09/08 22:30 |
.... the main person in the world beating the drum for the sitting disabled (and all w/ uncomfortable disabilities who are still unaccommodated)... very
thankful and glad u put the term "sitting disability" on the internet!!! ur a shining star |
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sittingdisabled |
nice to see u again penny! :) | #16 | ||
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Posts: 11 07/09/08 22:31 |
hope you remember me..i guess u know me frm my shorthand...well anyway i use it now LOL...ur sense of humor is amazing..hope ur doing well
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Posts: 2231 07/09/08 22:56
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sittingdisabled wrote: Cheryl, It's so frustrating, because technically it would not be difficult to make it possible for sitting disabled people to travel. Just a few minor
adaptions here and there
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sittingdisabled |
so simple, isnt it really? :) | #18 | ||
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Posts: 11 07/29/08 03:48 |
jilly, ur right...all they have to do is give us a flat area for reclining and then buckling us in...when seatbelts for seats were first invented, im sure it
took some thought and designing...doing it for us nonsitters wouldnt b much more difficult...its good that mosken put in the complaint...once this problem gets
enough press it should spread worldwide, giving us our planes, trains and even automobiles
sherry
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Posts: 42310 07/29/08 18:27
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I received some advice from one of the great people working with disability in the European Union -- or maybe in the US. I'm not completely sure -- as it was one of the lawyers in the European disability forum that asked this person to help me. That first of all worried about their liability if I injure myself. It is not that simple to be strapped down. They have to make changes in the airplane before takeoff. That would take time and cost them lots of money. Here is the e-mail: Dear Mosken,
I think you are on the right way to go to the Aviation Authority in Norway about SAS. I have not enough experience with your National Law, but with the new 1107 in the EU I don't know what will happen, because the stretcher (STCR) is not excluded in the text. Main question is : has an airline the right to refuse STCR transport. I can imagine 'yes' based on the (small) size of an aircraft used for a certain flight, but in case of big aircrafts (Fokker 70, 737 , A319 and bigger) I think 'no'. However they will use and abuse all more or less valid arguments (just short turn around time (25 minutes) so no time to build in a STCR and to embark and disembark a passenger on a STCR, etc). To be honest there is no experience in this matter (not yet) and I think it will be an interesting case, also in the view of EUR 1107 that creates a new situation and the question is if we can force airlines to take STCR on board.
For an American Airline it is clear that they must transport STCR, because in the new ACAA under par. 382. 27 you can read about the obligation to pre-notify 48 hours before departure (3) accommodation for a passenger who must travel in a stretcher. And under .29 the obligation for travelling with a safety assistant: (b)you (= carrier) may require a passenger…….. to travel with a safety assistant….in one of the following categories………(1) A passenger travelling in a stretcher…………… So for me there is no doubt about the right in the US and with an US carrier to fly in a stretcher.
Suggested steps to be taken:
Let us see what happens. Keep me informed please.
Best regards,
Pim Godefroy
W.A. Godefroy Director IHD Airport Services B.V. |
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Posts: 685 07/30/08 01:19
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Is that even an option, Mosken? To use an American airline in Europe? I seem to recall that Pintac's dad always switches from an Norwegian carrier to a
US carrier and vice versa, when he's travelling between here and Norway.
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